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Poster: hseamons Date: Sep 22, 2010 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

There has still been some ugly rumors floating around, or simple misunderstandings, regarding Charlie Miller's attitude toward me, Hunter Seamons, using his sources for my matrixes. I feel this is a GREAT time to clear the air regarding this issue and prove that these rumors are false and are often based on hearsay rather than definitive evidence:

I believe folk have misinterpreted and then added their own words to CM's remarks in the past. Granted, CM is known for his rather tongue-in-cheek threats to withhold the goods on LL boards pertaining to various topics, not just matrixes, but he always delivers the goods after creating such havoc.

Back in the day, Charlie had mentioned he was not a "fan" of matrixes and even stated, however irreverently, "I hate these matrix mixes being made from my sources" (circa fall 2008). But over the years I have found remarks on my torrents from CM that approve of my work, which reveal Miller's apparent change of heart (although I doubt Miller's initially professed hatred of matrixes, given his comment history). I have posted two examples of these comments here in response to a recent request for such evidence:


In regard to my 6/23/74 24 bit matrix on etree:

charliemiller 2010-02-08 20:24:44
"This is one matrix that I would like to hear. Two great sources. Looking forward to it."


In regard to my older 10/10/82 matrix on etree:

charliemiller 2009-12-25 01:46:01
"You should re-do this with the upgraded transfer I did with rango's masters.

Just a suggestion"


Moreover, I have seen a handful of other occasions where Charlie in fact has recommended HIS sources for matrixes, as in the above example. Do we need any more proof that Charlie has approved of matrix endeavors using his sources and that we need not hop on the Charlie idol-worshiping bandwagon in order to bash other sources? The whole "Charlie hates Hunter's work" rumor was an exaggeration from the get-go and the result of people needing to hate something new and different, and in some cases, if not most, even better - "What? - something sounds better than a CM source? Oh my god, the earth has spun from its axis! Impossibe! MY NAME IS HUCKER!! What the hell? Where are my pills?"

Let's all take into consideration that CM's invaluable work has played an integral role in the creation of quality matrixes, and his work has not been taken for granted. Fact is, CM and I have now had a long-standing, amicable relationship on the boards. End. Of. Story.



In any case - STOP BY THE HUNTER'S TRIX FACEBOOK PAGE FOR COMPLETE DETAILS!

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Sep 22, 2010 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

Hey Hunter, Glad to hear it. All I knew of the "controversy" was that it had been mentioned here once or twice - and my participation on this board is spotty, at best. And I honestly don't care much one way or the other: I'm a big fan of Charlie's work and I'm a big fan of your work. If he is recommending his own sources to you, that pretty much puts a lid on it. Just keep truckin' on,

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Sep 23, 2010 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

I have nothing against Hunter. Please do not drag me and/or my name through this. I am going through some serious health issues right now and don't need to see people trashing me for something I haven't done or said. Hunter and I have no issues, as far as I'm concerned.

It is true that I am not a fan of post-production matrix mixes. That does not mean I don't like the guys who make them. I'm not that kind of person. I'm very spiritual and try to stay peaceful. I will never hold sources out of circulation because I don't want someone to make a matrix out of them.

I have never met Hunter and for anyone to say that I hate him is ridiculous. There are many trolls around here that just like to start trouble and then sit back and watch others freak out over it.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!!!

peace and love....charlie miller



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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 23, 2010 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

Thanks to Hunter and Charlie for taking the high road. Much of what is spewed here is off-the-cuff and thoughtless. I apologize for my part in perpetuating, what I thought was, a joke. Thanks for access to all the great tunes.

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Sep 23, 2010 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

well, I guess it's a joke till people I don't even know start saying that I need a bitch slap. Not sure what that was all about, but I'm not gonna worry about it.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 23, 2010 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

I think that Dire's anger (the "bitch slap" comment above) derives from exchanges such as this one:

http://www.archive.org/post/307558/charlie-miller

I think one might conclude from that thread that comments on "flaws" will not be favorably received? Not sure...I am an overly sensitive old fart, so I often have trouble assessing a poster's true feelings on any number of subjects; as High Flow notes, the jokes make it even more difficult at times.

However, that's really beside the point; you do this because you love doing it...or at least I assume so...not because you want validation by receiving comments on the product...again, only guessing.

In any case, I think there should be more ugly rumors about Dire; and with those, no amount of air clearing will get the stink out...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 24, 2010 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

i love ugly rumors about me!! bring on another one Capt Arizona!!! I will freakin' END YOU!!!!


;-P


(i knew it was a mistake to have that third cup of coffee so quickly this morning)


CM: "it's real easy to misread someone's intentions over your computer."

boy, dont i know it. my comments = my bad

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Sep 24, 2010 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

It's all good. As I wrote on my facebook page: "If we learn from our mistakes, than I must be a genius".

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 24, 2010 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

so true - Einstein got nothin on me :)

thanks man

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Sep 23, 2010 3:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

My personal taste (killer boards over killer auds). As for my comments, they don't come from ego. As for context, it's the internet, it's real easy to misread someone's intentions over your computer.

I don't do this for any other reason than I enjoy working on the music and it's fun to share. No need for personal attacks. That is the main reason I try to stay away from this site. Too much arguing. I'm a very giving and peaceful person. I don't do all this work for the attention (I'm actually rather shy, believe it or not). I do it because I love to work on killer sounding recordings and I have access to upgrades and I like to share.

I never understood why I get attacked so much for sharing music. Can't we all just get along? I'm not perfect, I'm just as fucked up as the rest of you.

:)

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Sep 24, 2010 4:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

Hey now Charlie.
Sorry to hear your health is suffering.
We corresponded a few years back about hip replacements.
I have had both hips done twice already and now I have learned tht the prosthetics have been recalled and I may be facing more surgery.
If you don't mind me asking is your hip(s) the issue? If so what are you finding is the problem.
Wishing you the best.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 24, 2010 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

Cool; appreciate the "medical difficulties" situation only too well...hope you navigate thru all of that with grace and determination; as clearly evident from all your efforts with the music, you have in abundance...

And yes--pleas for "lets all try to just get along" sometimes fall on deaf ears around here (mine included of course), but good on ya for trying. With every effort along these lines, maybe--just maybe--we move the Forum forward a step or two, eh?

Keep up the good work.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 24, 2010 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

"maybe--just maybe--we move the Forum forward a step or two, eh?"


it did when you said you were leaving. now that you are back, well.......

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 24, 2010 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

Actually, I never said I was leaving, just becoming more inane and stupifying...doing a great job of it, eh?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 24, 2010 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

stupification and inanity are two of the wonderful pleasures in life! I am glad that you are becoming proficient at both ;)

(lord knows I have been training hard in those arenas for many years)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 24, 2010 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding 10,000 useless posts

Ha--hey D, hope you and all the gals in your life are doing well; been a while since we caught up, but I know with football season upon us, you all are following the DREADED Pats with great interest...as for me, Cards Mge has pulled its usual "play it CHEAP", and having lost a number of good players, besides Warner's retirement (unlike Mr Favre and me, he knows when to call it quits and stick to it, eh?), it doesn't look good for us, even if in the worst division in sports...

Miss Rob round here; I assume you're catching up with him off site now and again, but hoping all is right with him, and that we see him back around this dump in the near future.

It's gotta be better than having the likes of the two of us taking up Forum space, ya know? I am constantly surprised we haven't been banned for approaching 10,000 posts--shouldn't there be a "statute of limitations" of sorts for posters like us? Once you pass that #, you're done? Hmmm, better not let that get out; somebody with half a brain might act on it...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 24, 2010 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding 10,000 useless posts

actually, i havent caught up with Rob in awhile. i think i'll email that Scottish SOB this weekend to see what is up.

i think at 10K posts, my mind will simply implode due to idiocy. needless to say, it will be a mightly small implosion (measurable by, say, a planck length)

girls are great!! as I hope your fam is as well my good friend!!

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Sep 24, 2010 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

But the most important thing is that we should all still be nice to each other, even if there are no medical difficulties.

Thanks for all of your support.

Now I gotta go get back to work on pitch correcting shows.

next up: 10/9/77

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 23, 2010 1:40pm
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Sorry to hear about the health issues. Hope things get better for you soon, and appreciate all the work you do.

Jim G

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Sep 23, 2010 2:04pm
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Thanks Jim. I have some surgery coming up that has me a bit freaked, but I'll be OK. I've gotten through worse.


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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Sep 23, 2010 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

Just for the record, I have never claimed to have the best sources and have never claimed to be the best at what I do.

What does bother me is when people destroy good recordings with too much digital noise reduction, thus giving it a swirly sound. Other than that, I'm all for letting people do whatever they want. This is America, right?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 23, 2010 2:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

I have never heard such claims on your part Charlie . But for many , your work does become the default source . It is what it is .
I never hear GEMS or Purple Gel discussed . Just you and HS . I am not a Matrix fan , but God Bless , who am I to say what someone else likes .

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Sep 23, 2010 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

Exactly. Just because I don't listen to them doesn't mean you shouldn't. Censorship sucks.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 23, 2010 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

Censorship does suck, and so does Dolby.

Not Thomas, he's OK.

And I also suppose you and HS are OK as well. Can't have too much of a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

Power to the People and all the best to you and your upcoming procedure. Here's wishing you a speedy recovery.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 23, 2010 6:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

I have a hard time understanding anyone who can diss someone else who by his work is showing nothing but a true love for the music and an obvious devotion to bringing new ways of enjoying it to the rest of us. And as I've said before, if you don't like the mixes, you certainly don't have to listen to them. The fine works of Mr. Miller are still available in all their their untouched glory for all to enjoy if that is your preference. Both of these gentleman do nothing but add to the magic that the Dead left us. Many, many thanks to both Mr. Miller and Mr. Seamons for their hours of work and care. I appreciate both equally.
But I too enjoy the premise of a Steel Cage Death Match.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 23, 2010 9:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

Especially when that "anyone" contributes nothing but talk.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 24, 2010 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

And exactly what is it that you have contributed?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 25, 2010 10:26am
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Nothing, but that's really not the point. I just think that we who contribute nothing should think twice before we criticize and harrass those who, through great time and effort and without compensation, make these recordings available to us. So you don't like the Matrix recordings. Others do. Why are you constantly trying to sabotage that?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 25, 2010 3:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

"sabotage?"

Keep smoking that shit!

How the fuck can I sabotage a file at LMA?

If you are speaking about my reviews of matrices; the last time I checked, it was well within my constitutional right to post anything that I like on an internet message board. Just as it is your right (and anyone else's for that matter), to ingnore my opinions. Or to respond any way you see fit.

And keep drinking that cool aid!

And blowing your horn about those horrendous 90's shows you attended if it validates all the time and money you spent travelling to huge stadium gigs. You have yourself convinced that Richfield Coliseum show is as good as 2/28/69...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 22, 2010 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

Onions !

Hunter , I got the '85 date wrong . It was 6/21 . Barcelona :(

I wonder where this thread is going ?

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 22, 2010 3:47pm
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Hello - My previous cage-match post was completely in jest. I had no idea of the history. I simply thought the idea of two GD audiophiles in a cage-match was a funny one.

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Poster: hseamons Date: Sep 22, 2010 4:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

I gleaned your jest, man. I was responding to several other postings that were either posing a question or making an assertion about the issue. I thought I'd take the time out of my very busy schedule to respond.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 22, 2010 8:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let's Clear the Air Regarding Ugly CM & HS Rumors...

Thanks to Hunter, Charlie, and everyone who does such great work to provide folks with such an amazing selection of choices. Back in the day, I was darned happy with my fuzzy old tapes. To reiterate a frequent chant here: Boy, are we spoiled! And all because some people may, um, not be getting their work done :-)

And while I'm at it, thanks, too, to our resident curmudgeon (eg the pro-whale-slaughter one, since come to think of it, there may be more than one curmudgeon around) for all the knowledgeable and insightful (if, of course, curmudgeonly) reviews, comments, etc. Even if they sometimes have the impact of, well, chucking butyric acid at a whaling ship.

Now, as the world turns, back to another Days Of Our Forum ...

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Poster: vapors Date: Sep 22, 2010 4:23pm
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Thanks for all of your efforts.
Now get back to work!